Anyone tempted to trade in for this?

[Victorofhavoc]

I get that but a hair extra negative camber goes down well on the Supra. I assume the same on the z?

but yeah. Options are good at least. Honestly I’d do (and probably regret) an nd3 before a z

I personally liked the 370 too. That second throttle body went far and the manual felt decent and was only a couple dollars away from feeling like a great manual.

I actually understand their choice of motor. There must’ve been tons of pressure to go with a boosted power plant. Would’ve been great to see an updated 3.7.

Honestly, I think they should have dropped their 5.6 into it. At least the nismo version.

Actually, the supra is limited to around -3 up front and typically with camber plates. That reduces compliance overall and you need coils to get more room.

The z just takes upper control arms and then you can adjust to your hearts content. Because of the design it also takes the camber further because it doesn't increase towards positive like mcstrut.

Both platforms setup with identical prep and near equal power to weight, I think it would be a fair and close fight. I suspect the z would need to be driven "with a bit of anger" and the the supra would be more "scalpel like". Driver style would probably make the difference on preference.

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[UWU-mancer]

Honestly, I think they should have dropped their 5.6 into it. At least the nismo version.

Actually, the supra is limited to around -3 up front and typically with camber plates. That reduces compliance overall and you need coils to get more room.

The z just takes upper control arms and then you can adjust to your hearts content. Because of the design it also takes the camber further because it doesn't increase towards positive like mcstrut.

Both platforms setup with identical prep and near equal power to weight, I think it would be a fair and close fight. I suspect the z would need to be driven "with a bit of anger" and the the supra would be more "scalpel like". Driver style would probably make the difference on preference.

The 5.6?! No way, I’m one of the few weirdos that like what the vq sounds like after some headers and exhaust work

 

[Victorofhavoc]

The 5.6?! No way, I’m one of the few weirdos that like what the vq sounds like after some headers and exhaust work

Oh I like the vq screaming to 8200rpm. I wanted to cam mine, get a new pump, and crank while rebuilding the front end and get it to scream to 9k. Still might, we'll see. If I can source a new z chassis for cheap, I definitely would.

I just think the v8 makes more sense for 400hp in that car. Maybe that's just me...

 

[UWU-mancer]

Oh I like the vq screaming to 8200rpm. I wanted to cam mine, get a new pump, and crank while rebuilding the front end and get it to scream to 9k. Still might, we'll see. If I can source a new z chassis for cheap, I definitely would.

I just think the v8 makes more sense for 400hp in that car. Maybe that's just me...

I remember watching one of the old Jim wolf videos of their 350 on the dyno. Man that sounded great

 

[whtciv2k]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

An S15 and an F87CS are on my short list of cars to own.

My opinion about the Z is that in vacuum it's fantastic but amongst its peers it's a little lackluster. There's probably something I'm missing, much the same way that enthusiasts scoff at the Type S, but my brother owns a last gen 370Z and as much as I think it's a great car, I feel it's a bit too generic for my liking.

That’s a great way take on it. You’re absolutely right, it’s a fantastic car, but in 2026, that same money is better spent elsewhere, imo.

 

[STi from DSM]

Not a fan. The RS5 has me interested but we'll see what the end of the year looks like to even see one in person first.

 

[UWU-mancer]

Not a fan. The RS5 has me interested but we'll see what the end of the year looks like to even see one in person first.

I really like the rs5’s exterior. The design speaks to me. The price hurts tho. Went s5 instead. Might take a year or two but looking fwd to tuning the ecu and the tcu. Few bolt ons. Throatier exhaust

 

[optronix]

Not a fan. The RS5 has me interested but we'll see what the end of the year looks like to even see one in person first.

THE RS5. GTFOH.

No seriously, this post is ban worthy.

That car actually invokes negative emotions for me now. It does NOT belong in this conversation.

It's not a sports car. I'm going to go out on a limb now and say it's in a class of poser cars for people with more money than sense that like to keep cars for less than 6 months before getting bored and moving on. I can say that because that's EXACTLY what happened with me... and I'd almost forgive someone for liking the previous gen RS5 because it looked great and felt like Audi at least made an effort to make it fun to drive.

But trying to bring a $125k wet fart of a hybrid luxo barge in this conversation of sub-$70k sports cars should have everyone's pitchforks out.

 

[boosted180sx]

Type S and the Z imo are two different cars (rwd/2d vs a fwd/4d) so i dont know how many people would be looking at those 2.
Either way, the Z nismo is just too overpriced. Unfortunately, it is not the enthusiast bargain car that it used to be. I loved my 370z nismo and really wanted the new one but its just priced too high. With the deep discounts they have on older MYs, its not so bad but nissan has already said they are going to limit the production of Zs so those deep discounts i doubt will be available to the new MYs which makes it a hard no for me.

 

[SilverRocket]

may we plz argue and fight about engine oil and weights?

Sure!

0W-20 for the warranty period and then switch to 5W-30 at the first oil change outside of it.

Excludes any special cases like living in Death Valley or the Northern Territories or track duty.

Amsoil if you have money to burn, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum if you want nearly the best with a sensible pricetag.

Intervals, generally use the maintenance minder but as backup consider 10k miles minus the RPM you're usually at.

Example 1: Grandpa driver never really above 3k rpm, 7k miles.
Example 2: Frequently banging off redline at 7k.... 3k mile oil changes.

Disagree... Get bent

Okay, debate over.

 

[UWU-mancer]

Sure!

0W-20 for the warranty period and then switch to 5W-30 at the first oil change outside of it.

Excludes any special cases like living in Death Valley or the Northern Territories or track duty.

Amsoil if you have money to burn, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum if you want nearly the best with a sensible pricetag.

Intervals, generally use the maintenance minder but as backup consider 10k miles minus the RPM you're usually at.

Example 1: Grandpa driver never really above 3k rpm, 7k miles.
Example 2: Frequently banging off redline at 7k.... 3k mile oil changes.

Disagree... Get bent

Okay, debate over.

What?!?! Literally the whole world is using 5/30.

wtf! U get bent first mf! But before U get bent, what oil filter?!

 

[SilverRocket]

What?!?! Literally the whole world is using 5/30.

wtf! U get bent first mf! But before U get bent, what oil filter?!

I thought you said oil, not oil filters, so piss off

Oil filters it's Honda OEM but the A01 type(in a box, from Japan) not the shrink wrapped crap A02.

 

[UWU-mancer]

I thought you said oil, not oil filters, so piss off

Oil filters it's Honda OEM but the A01 type(in a box, from Japan) not the shrink wrapped crap A02.

Good choice. Good choice.

U can’t fight over oil without oil filter eventually coming up though

 

[STi from DSM]

@optronix LOL! I haven't even seen it in person yet. Am I disgusted by the RS5 gaining 1500 lbs? Absolutely. I would consider the M2 Xdrive when/if that comes out. There just isn't anything out there that I would even consider at this point. (Granted I have bought most of the cars I have wanted to drive)
With that being said though, I am at least intrigued by it. With the price most likely starting at $115k at least I won't be interested at that price.

 

[optronix]

@optronix LOL! I haven't even seen it in person yet. Am I disgusted by the RS5 gaining 1500 lbs? Absolutely. I would consider the M2 Xdrive when/if that comes out. There just isn't anything out there that I would even consider at this point. (Granted I have bought most of the cars I have wanted to drive)
With that being said though, I am at least intrigued by it. With the price most likely starting at $115k at least I won't be interested at that price.

Lol.

As an aside, thanks for being a good sport about my ribbing. Some people would have gotten defensive and thrown a temper tantrum. I like the cut of your jib.

Back to reality, I do actually have strong emotions around the Audi RS cars. I've loved them since the first time I saw (and heard) a B8 RS4. To me it's one of the most beautiful sedans ever made, the engine is one of the best sounding and smoothest power delivery v8s ever made, and the interior is always top in its class. That's kind of Audi's formula; and as such, they're absolutely fantastic street cars. But they completely lack the dimension that the ITS has from a "driver's car" perspective, not to mention the track capability. None of the Audis (except one I'll get to in a minute) have ever offered a compelling track experience. I'd even throw the R8 in that mix. Although give me a gated v10 manual (or the v8 as I mentioned earlier...) and I'll have a good time. Just not really in a track setting.

The new RS5 is of course intriguing- I'd be lying if I didn't say I get "the FIZZ" just looking at the design. But I just also get a gag reflex knowing all the cost, weight, and complexity that all that extra technology brings with the hybrid system and the trick diffs... the one and only hybrid car that ever got me excited was the McLaren Artura. And honestly, look what's happened with that car. Resale plummeted, enthusiast sentiment along with it because there's been all sorts of problems... and at that price point there's just too many other options (ahem- GT3RS) to consider.

That's where the new RS5 lives for me. I saw Henry Catchpole tossing it around a track and seemed to having a good time so maybe it's even a great car. I just have almost zero interest in it because the whole concept is just going backwards for me, personally.

Plus as almost everything these days it's just outrageously expensive. I bought a B9.5 RS5 in 2021 for $78k and thought it was too much then. $125k? Who the hell is this car for? I'm sure there are plenty of enthusiasts who can afford that but again- what's their use case? Best bet is it wouldn't involve a track, or even a routine Sunday trip through a canyon or back road. Just starts making less and less sense from that perspective.

Now, while we're on the topic of Audis let's talk about the RS3. The last vestige of an Audi with a soul. THAT car belongs in this conversation. I've already typed enough but there's a part of me that literally always is thinking about buying an RS3. The driving dynamics and chassis are not as good as the DE5, but the engine and elevated refinement make up for it. The only thing that continues to push it behind the DE5 for me is the lack of a manual.

On a long enough timeline, I can still see an RS3 in my future. It could even replace the DE5- but only if I replace the DE5 with a car that fills the gaps. I've got my eyes on a DC2 Type R. THAT would be my ideal enthusiast garage...

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