Anyone tempted to trade in for this?

[ChromaPop]

If you can afford either, and you just want to drive fun, manual cars, sure.

But, aside from the TT V6 / TI4, RWD / FWD, and coupe / sedan variations, the MSRP of the manual Z Nismo is projected to be something like $70k. While that might not seem like much more than $55k, it's ~25%. From a pricing perspective, these aren't really competitors.

That said, I wouldn't blame anyone for being interested in both cars overall.

For me, personally, the unfortunate reality is that none of the new "sports cars" in the $50-100k segment really offer the experience I want from that type of car.

I'm holding out a little bit of hope that Toyota comes through with the rumored MR2, etc., but I will be very surprised if they aren't turbo-hybrid and aren't skewed towards a GT-ish experience to appeal to a wider audience.

I absolutely also cannot wait to see what Toyota comes out with there, along with a possible new Supra and a Celica. But for me it will have to have a manual transmission, and a great one at that.

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[optronix]

If you can afford either, and you just want to drive fun, manual cars, sure.

But, aside from the TT V6 / TI4, RWD / FWD, and coupe / sedan variations, the MSRP of the manual Z Nismo is projected to be something like $70k. While that might not seem like much more than $55k, it's ~25%. From a pricing perspective, these aren't really competitors.

That said, I wouldn't blame anyone for being interested in both cars overall.

For me, personally, the unfortunate reality is that none of the new "sports cars" in the $50-100k segment really offer the experience I want from that type of car.

I'm holding out a little bit of hope that Toyota comes through with the rumored MR2, etc., but I will be very surprised if they aren't turbo-hybrid and aren't skewed towards a GT-ish experience to appeal to a wider audience. And, I'm keeping my expectations low so I'm not disappointed when it happens

Exactly. $65k to start, and there are lots of options to choose from... which in itself is pretty interesting that you can spec a set of Nismo coilovers before even taking delivery of the car... I checked local listings and the average appears to be $69k and I'm sure that doesn't include the library of Nismo parts yet. So that price point places the Nismo Z well outside the price bracket the ITS resides in. It's really not even close. That is squarely in RS3/M2- or gently used Porsche- territory. Same reason I don't really consider the CT4V Blackwing much of a competitor to the ITS even though they are very similar from all other perspectives. The price just simply rules it out of a comparison.

Plus... it's just not a practical vehicle at all. It doesn't have back seats, let alone 4 doors... it doesn't really look to have much storage space at all, basically a glorified trunk with no real capacity. I can fit 4 tires AND wheels in my car... again, no contest.

Totally different type of buyer. The only overlap would be it is definitely an enthusiast car, but there are enthusiasts with entirely different wants and requirements.

I too am very curious to see what Toyota comes up with... and I've said it before, I would be deeply interested in a reimagining of the 240SX/Silvia. The Nismo Z is a very cool car just not something I'd entertain realistically.

 

[ChromaPop]

Exactly. $65k to start, and there are lots of options to choose from... which in itself is pretty interesting that you can spec a set of Nismo coilovers before even taking delivery of the car... I checked local listings and the average appears to be $69k and I'm sure that doesn't include the library of Nismo parts yet. So that price point places the Nismo Z well outside the price bracket the ITS resides in. It's really not even close. That is squarely in RS3/M2- or gently used Porsche- territory. Same reason I don't really consider the CT4V Blackwing much of a competitor to the ITS even though they are very similar from all other perspectives. The price just simply rules it out of a comparison.

Plus... it's just not a practical vehicle at all. It doesn't have back seats, let alone 4 doors... it doesn't really look to have much storage space at all, basically a glorified trunk with no real capacity. I can fit 4 tires AND wheels in my car... again, no contest.

Totally different type of buyer. The only overlap would be it is definitely an enthusiast car, but there are enthusiasts with entirely different wants and requirements.

I too am very curious to see what Toyota comes up with... and I've said it before, I would be deeply interested in a reimagining of the 240SX/Silvia. The Nismo Z is a very cool car just not something I'd entertain realistically.

I don't think I ever said comparable, I was merely discussing a switch over to. These future Toyota cars will also be smaller and less practical yet we are still talking about them as well. As needs change (things like no more kids in the nest, retirement, second car or third car duty), these cars can be transitional counterparts.

 

[optronix]

I don't think I ever said comparable, I was merely discussing a switch over to. These future Toyota cars will also be smaller and less practical yet we are still talking about them as well. As needs change (things like no more kids in the nest, retirement, second car or third car duty), these cars can be transitional counterparts.

Sure... at a huge uplift in price point. If the Toyotas come out costing $70k it would be the same conversation, but I do at least expect them to be in line with the ITS and thus more of a straightforward comparison.

I still think given the choice, if I had $70k to spend and no practicality requirements I'd probably try to find a solid 997.2 911, or 981 GTS. But that's just me.

 

[ABPDE5]

Sure... at a huge uplift in price point. If the Toyotas come out costing $70k it would be the same conversation, but I do at least expect them to be in line with the ITS and thus more of a straightforward comparison.

I still think given the choice, if I had $70k to spend and no practicality requirements I'd probably try to find a solid 997.2 911, or 981 GTS. But that's just me.

This is where I'm at, too. All the $50-100k coupes are trying to be practical, psuedo-luxurious, everyday / all weather / year-round, big weight / big torque, cars...

I understand why, from a market-strategy standpoint. But, for me, personally, it's a 2-door coupe... it's already compromised -- why not embrace it? (The Miata understands this... you have to get above $100k to find the next new car sold in the US that does). If I'm buying a car that's expensive and impractical, I want it to be raw and exciting, not a jack-of-all-trades with muted character.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

This is where I'm at, too. All the $50-100k coupes are trying to be practical, psuedo-luxurious, everyday / all weather / year-round, big weight / big torque, cars...

I understand why, from a market-strategy standpoint. But, for me, personally, it's a 2-door coupe... it's already compromised -- why not embrace it? (The Miata understands this... you have to get above $100k to find the next new car sold in the US that does). If I'm buying a car that's expensive and impractical, I want it to be raw and exciting, not a jack-of-all-trades with muted character.

86 twins...

Tires and diffs have gotten too good. People throw sticky rubber on and complain the car doesn't have enough power. They want the drama that low grip and low weight bring, but they just don't know how to say it. Especially not when they whip out the ruler and start measuring against their neighbor...

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