Got rid of my 2025 already

[Brittania]

I’m in the boat too, I have wanted to trade my type s a couple of times to get a car that has more power but there is a driving dynamic that the type r/s provides that is definitely pleasing. If I leave the platform it will probably be a ct4v blackwing, had one before and kinda been kicking myself for trading it in, the tremec is imho significantly more robust than the transmission in the type s and the power difference is significant too. Yet despite the anemic power etc I really do enjoy driving the s, it’s a special car just wish it had about 375-400 from factory especially for the price.

375-400 hp is the sweet spot for the Type R/S. If I had to go back to stock, I'd be bored.

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[bigfx]

375-400 hp is the sweet spot for the Type R/S. If I had to go back to stock, I'd be bored.

I have thought about tuning mine to see if it helps with the lack of power, hoping to stay interested in the car bc it is fun to drive.

 

[UWU-mancer]

375-400 hp is the sweet spot for the Type R/S. If I had to go back to stock, I'd be bored.

I’d politely disagree. Beyond 350-370 wtq the chassis doesn’t feel as balanced. And it feels like the front and rear are disconnected as hell. IMO

I’d argue the hondata ots tune with full bolt ons is perfect. Obviously get a tuner to really dial that tune in, add more tq reduction in first and second, add the type s pops and type s valve functionality. And imo it’s perfect.

otherwise you’ll want to get into bracing that will keep weight distribution true as possible when pushing hard

 

[elh0102]

375-400 hp is the sweet spot for the Type R/S. If I had to go back to stock, I'd be bored.

I think it depends on your uses. I believe the car is extremely well set up from the factory, and the power level is spot on for the OE suspension tune. When I was setting up street cars for the track, most were not as well put together as the ITS, and I was lucky to end up with something as well sorted out as the OE Type S. Power is just power, and sometimes it gets in the way.

 

[bullitt]

Congrats on the 8 series, hope you enjoy it a long time.

Everyone has their own perferences in characteristics. I daily drive a manual 500HP RWD v8, my previous car was a 440HP AWD V6TT, before that a 185hp 2.5L FWD sedan, a 330HP, v8 RWD, and a 165HP FWD coupe.

If I had to rank my cars the 165HP Coupe was the most fun to toss in corners. The500HP v8 is the most fun to snake through traffic with, and the 185HP sedan was the most comfortable, and relaxing to drive. The AWD V6 was the most disappointing car out of the bunch. The 330Hp v8 I miss a lot but the new V8 is just better in every way except maybe sound.

For reference those cars are a 2000 Escort zx2 S/R, a tuned 2019 Bullitt, a 2014 god damn Nissan Altima, a 2018 Q50 RedSport and 2003 Mach1. I currently have the Bullitt but I quite often ponder getting another Altima or buying a old ZX2 and rebuilding it. I don't ever think about the Mach1 or Q50 at all, but to some those are dream cars.

EDIT: just to add the reason I keep looking at, and hesitating on the ITS is that it looks like on paper it should be a combination of the great fun my Escort ZX2 was but also in the power rang of the v8's I loved. My big hold up is that I'm not sure I want to stay manual both due to back issues and just how much traffic I sit in daily.

 

[UWU-mancer]

Personally I find that driving fast cars fast is fucking terrifying

I’m happy in 4 cylinder land myself.

 

[bullitt]

Personally I find that driving fast cars fast is fucking terrifying

I’m happy in 4 cylinder land myself.

The fun was in the drama, not the actual speed.

That what some people don't get about why people love manuals. People used to use Manal as an excuse to not get Automatics because it used to be faster, but as autos got better people also noticed another reason to love manuals. It's not actually about being the fastest, it's about the drama or 'engagement' that they bring. I feel like as autos got faster it kind of eliminated a lot of the "bro culture" around manuals and the people that just look at specs on paper for bragging rights and brought out more of the people that just enjoy driving.

I've been in smaller/lower powered cars that feel much faster than my V8 because it doesn't weigh much and has shorter gearing. It feels like you're ripping down the road but you've really just past 55. On the other hand the Q50 WAS really quick as it was 440HP and AWD, but it FELT slow due to there being like 0 drama and how quiet the cabin was. It felt weird slowly pulling on a loud Hemi but all I'm doing is putting my foot to the floor and watching myself inch past it once I built boost. I'd be ripping down the road really quietly at 100 but it felt like i was doing 50. It was boring.

 

[UWU-mancer]

The fun was in the drama, not the actual speed.

That what some people don't get about why people love manuals. People used to use Manal as an excuse to not get Automatics because it used to be faster, but as autos got better people also noticed another reason to love manuals. It's not actually about being the fastest, it's about the drama or 'engagement' that they bring. I feel like as autos got faster it kind of eliminated a lot of the "bro culture" around manuals and the people that just look at specs on paper for bragging rights and brought out more of the people that just enjoy driving.

I've been in smaller/lower powered cars that feel much faster than my V8 because it doesn't weigh much and has shorter gearing. It feels like you're ripping down the road but you've really just past 55. On the other hand the Q50 WAS really quick as it was 440HP and AWD, but it FELT slow due to there being like 0 drama and how quiet the cabin was. It felt weird slowly pulling on a loud Hemi but all I'm doing is putting my foot to the floor and watching myself inch past it once I built boost. I'd be ripping down the road really quietly at 100 but it felt like i was doing 50. It was boring.

Oh no I get U. It’s not only the drama but also that whole experience. It’s amazing. It just ain’t for me

 

[Victorofhavoc]

The fun was in the drama, not the actual speed.

That what some people don't get about why people love manuals. People used to use Manal as an excuse to not get Automatics because it used to be faster, but as autos got better people also noticed another reason to love manuals. It's not actually about being the fastest, it's about the drama or 'engagement' that they bring. I feel like as autos got faster it kind of eliminated a lot of the "bro culture" around manuals and the people that just look at specs on paper for bragging rights and brought out more of the people that just enjoy driving.

I've been in smaller/lower powered cars that feel much faster than my V8 because it doesn't weigh much and has shorter gearing. It feels like you're ripping down the road but you've really just past 55. On the other hand the Q50 WAS really quick as it was 440HP and AWD, but it FELT slow due to there being like 0 drama and how quiet the cabin was. It felt weird slowly pulling on a loud Hemi but all I'm doing is putting my foot to the floor and watching myself inch past it once I built boost. I'd be ripping down the road really quietly at 100 but it felt like i was doing 50. It was boring.

This is also why I generally go rwd > fwd > awd. Having had all sorts of high and low power cars as well as all the drive types, the cars that create "drama" are the most fun.

 

[optronix]

I'm still here to say that I have had almost zero interest in moving on from my DE5 in the 2.5 years I've had it, and I don't see that changing.

Some people are serial car-hoppers. I'm almost positive I recall OP mentioning on more than one occasion how he virtually always has been looking at what car he'd get next. I used to be one. I can't speak to others' life choices, but for me it wasn't just about the cars. There was a personal "goal" element involved- I've heard some folks reference it as "the thrill of the hunt"- where part of the fun of being a car enthusiast is comparing and contrasting the different cars on the market, and the manifestation of that is in actually owning the cars, assuming you have the means. Eventually I just got tired of this, and I truthfully believe that the DE5 was the primary factor in why I could finally break the habit.

It's a practical, relatively inexpensive car with all the essential technology/options I need that serves me just as well as a commuter as it does for the mild to moderate "motorsports" usage I ask out of it. Whether that's a backroads jaunt to lift up my mood or cure boredom, or actually feeling semi-competitive at my local autocross (still just the one track day, looking to change that this year though...).

Ultimately, I don't miss any of the past M, RS, or Porsche cars I've had in the past, and that's my testimonial.

 

[elh0102]

I'm still here to say that I have had almost zero interest in moving on from my DE5 in the 2.5 years I've had it, and I don't see that changing.

Some people are serial car-hoppers. I'm almost positive I recall OP mentioning on more than one occasion how he virtually always has been looking at what car he'd get next. I used to be one. I can't speak to others' life choices, but for me it wasn't just about the cars. There was a personal "goal" element involved- I've heard some folks reference it as "the thrill of the hunt"- where part of the fun of being a car enthusiast is comparing and contrasting the different cars on the market, and the manifestation of that is in actually owning the cars, assuming you have the means. Eventually I just got tired of this, and I truthfully believe that the DE5 was the primary factor in why I could finally break the habit.

It's a practical, relatively inexpensive car with all the essential technology/options I need that serves me just as well as a commuter as it does for the mild to moderate "motorsports" usage I ask out of it. Whether that's a backroads jaunt to lift up my mood or cure boredom, or actually feeling semi-competitive at my local autocross (still just the one track day, looking to change that this year though...).

Ultimately, I don't miss any of the past M, RS, or Porsche cars I've had in the past, and that's my testimonial.

Your points are well taken. I'm trying to discipline myself to be as content with the car as you. I still struggle with the front drive thing, although I must admit, this one is very good, although the basic differences in dynamics remain. I've certainly been guilty of being a serial trader, and have regretted getting rid of a few cars. The one that satisfied me for the 5 years before the Integra was a Porsche Cayman S, the last of the flat six models. Frankly, I should still be driving it, but the Integra can put a smile on my face too, it's just different.

 

[UWU-mancer]

Your points are well taken. I'm trying to discipline myself to be as content with the car as you. I still struggle with the front drive thing, although I must admit, this one is very good, although the basic differences in dynamics remain. I've certainly been guilty of being a serial trader, and have regretted getting rid of a few cars. The one that satisfied me for the 5 years before the Integra was a Porsche Cayman S, the last of the flat six models. Frankly, I should still be driving it, but the Integra can put a smile on my face too, it's just different.

One day you’ll find the right one bro. She will make U stop looking at other cars. I want that for U. For me it was the type s.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

I generally agree, but for different reasons. I don't believe the "drive type" changes the characteristics too dramatically at the limit, but I do believe suspension, alignment, weight balance, and packaging are a factor.

Typical mcstrut fwd cars act like "fwd cars" and they're the bulk of the fwd market. I've also driven rwd mcstrut cars that have the same limitations and handling characteristics. Recently, I drove a fwd car with a wishbone design for the first time and a v8 over the front making 400whp. I clocked the same time in it on my second lap (before I popped it's transmission) as I did in my its after many laps. It was on much weaker brakes and tires, which account for the largest difference in track times too (I know you know this from the driving experience you've shared ).

I still prefer NA rwd for track use, but more for tire wear, availability, simpler aero/cooling, and much simpler suspension design (when double wish).

I wish everyone could get a chance at driving one of the tcr cars for just a few laps at least! They're so well sorted and capable of running 350hp consistently! Honestly, if I'm going to drop 60-120k on a dedicated "track car" again, I'd probably pass on almost everything (except for a spec boxster or z06) and just get a slightly used tcr car.

Have you done an alignment for the its yet? The factory alignment is typical understeer Meh... Same as you'd get with any other street car. It really turns oversteery once set up.

Your points are well taken. I'm trying to discipline myself to be as content with the car as you. I still struggle with the front drive thing, although I must admit, this one is very good, although the basic differences in dynamics remain. I've certainly been guilty of being a serial trader, and have regretted getting rid of a few cars. The one that satisfied me for the 5 years before the Integra was a Porsche Cayman S, the last of the flat six models. Frankly, I should still be driving it, but the Integra can put a smile on my face too, it's just different.

 

[elh0102]

Have you done an alignment for the its yet? The factory alignment is typical understeer Meh... Same as you'd get with any other street car. It really turns oversteery once set up.

I have not checked the alignment, but I plan to soon. Not because I find fault with it, just something I do with any new car. I've removed the front strut assembly pins, so I might gain a half degree camber. If I were doing track stuff with it, I would take a deeper dive into the alignment. But for a street car, I find it just fine as is. Given my driving style, I would describe it as having mild understeer, which is the way I want it. Turn in is sharp, and it remains relatively neutral under throttle on exit. My observation has been that many folks who complain of understeer are just driving the car into understeer. They turn in too early going too fast, realize they're gonna run out of pavement, jump off the throttle and complain that the car doesn't turn because of understeer. They drove past the traction level of the car, but it's probably not because the car needs work. If someone were to take my car on track and complain of excessive understeer, I can almost guarantee that 90% of the issue is driving technique.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

I have not checked the alignment, but I plan to soon. Not because I find fault with it, just something I do with any new car. I've removed the front strut assembly pins, so I might gain a half degree camber. If I were doing track stuff with it, I would take a deeper dive into the alignment. But for a street car, I find it just fine as is. Given my driving style, I would describe it as having mild understeer, which is the way I want it. Turn in is sharp, and it remains relatively neutral under throttle on exit. My observation has been that many folks who complain of understeer are just driving the car into understeer. They turn in too early going too fast, realize they're gonna run out of pavement, jump off the throttle and complain that the car doesn't turn because of understeer. They drove past the traction level of the car, but it's probably not because the car needs work. If someone were to take my car on track and complain of excessive understeer, I can almost guarantee that 90% of the issue is driving technique.

I 1000% agree.

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