Shot in the dark...

[rinzler005]

Sorry, I should have posted the link to the car: 2024 Integra Type S

The carfax is here.

I believe the car is originally from Ohio and was traded into a CJDR dealership. It has made it's round to a couple of places but eventually ended up to this Crysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram dealership.

@optronix - I see you're in MD..I'm taking it to PTuning in Manassas which is right down the road from this dealership. I have an appointment tomorrow morning so let's see what the tech says.

I believe it is a auction car but i'm thinking if the price is good it might be worth the gamble (pending inspection).

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[stan23]

Sorry, I should have posted the link to the car: 2024 Integra Type S

The carfax is here.

I believe the car is originally from Ohio and was traded into a CJDR dealership. It has made it's round to a couple of places but eventually ended up to this Crysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram dealership.

@optronix - I see you're in MD..I'm taking it to PTuning in Manassas which is right down the road from this dealership. I have an appointment tomorrow morning so let's see what the tech says.

I believe it is a auction car but i'm thinking if the price is good it might be worth the gamble (pending inspection).

totally OT. if you do buy the car, i'll buy the license plate frame from ya. My wife's name is Lindsay and she would get a kick out of it.

 

[optronix]

Nah man, go check this car out; took me 30 seconds of an autotrader search, it's in Rockville so not too far if you're in NoVA. Bone stock, 2025, 7k miles, (great color), only asking $2k more. Probably traded in on an RS3 if I were to guess:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/768314209?allListingType=all-cars&city=Pasadena&makeCode=ACURA&modelCode=INTEG&state=MD&trimCode=INTEG|Type S

There has to be a non-modified example out there that will give you peace of mind. This black car is not priced well enough to deal with any potential risks... UNLESS like I said earlier, you're interested in the specific mods this car has on it and you think you're saving money in that sense.

 

[rinzler005]

I'm open to stock ones and is actually preferred. I'd like to stay at $45k OTD and there are other stock examples that could be had (far from NOVA but that's okay). There are mods on this car that I like (intake, exhaust, carbon fiber lip , blacked out badges, etc) and would definitely do myself.

Let's see what the shop has to say and I'll go with my gut feeling afterwards.

Thanks everyone on the input. I'll update you all with that I decide.

 

[egxflash]

Also though, I've found most people that like to modify cars hate buying modified cars. Cultural irony,

hilariously true.

 

[rinzler005]

Back from the shop after inspection. The shop said it's actually in great condition. There are no additional mods (engine or suspension) once the car was lifted.

Only notes they included was that one of the EVAP monitors was not ready but that is most likely because the car has not been driven much post detune to OEM map.

Even though it has a turbo blanket, it's not fully covered like the OEM heat shield.

The only other thing to be mindful was that with the intake system (Infinity Design) and the OEM tune, it will probably run lean so they recommended either tuning it with the intake OR just revert back to stock or go with PRL HVI which doesn't require a tune.

 

[bvanlieu]

There is a price point where a used car with mods is worth the risk, higher miles, or a dollar amount that won't hurt you a ton. 45K is not chump change for nearly every person in america to just walk away from.

Stock ones with a few less miles are in that price range: this isn't a 35K deal so I don't see why this is attractive.

This isn't a SBC where some basic bolt ons just make the engine yawn, more its a high strung 4 pot.

Any bang or boom you would be paranoid about.

Run, don't walk away.

 

[optronix]

Back from the shop after inspection. The shop said it's actually in great condition. There are no additional mods (engine or suspension) once the car was lifted.

Only notes they included was that one of the EVAP monitors was not ready but that is most likely because the car has not been driven much post detune to OEM map.

Even though it has a turbo blanket, it's not fully covered like the OEM heat shield.

The only other thing to be mindful was that with the intake system (Infinity Design) and the OEM tune, it will probably run lean so they recommended either tuning it with the intake OR just revert back to stock or go with PRL HVI which doesn't require a tune.

I don't really follow most of this about the EVAP stuff but I did see in the carfax that for whatever reason the catalytic converter was replaced. Weird.

Also the thing about the Infinity Design needing a tune? Where is that information coming from? Why would the Infinity Design need a tune but the PRL doesn't? As far as I'm aware that's fake news. What shop was this?

FWIW I've had the Infinity Design on my car without a tune for a year. No issues.

$45k out the door vs $47k seems like a small price to pay for peace of mind.

 

[rinzler005]

@optronix - there was a catless DP previously which was replaced by a catted DP by the current dealership to make emissions. With the tuning back to OEM they have not driven it enough miles to make the emission monitors ready.

As far as the intake..you're correct that most intakes should not require a tune but the shop suggested a tune or revert to OEM as a bargaining chip.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

I don't really follow most of this about the EVAP stuff but I did see in the carfax that for whatever reason the catalytic converter was replaced. Weird.

Also the thing about the Infinity Design needing a tune? Where is that information coming from? Why would the Infinity Design need a tune but the PRL doesn't? As far as I'm aware that's fake news. What shop was this?

FWIW I've had the Infinity Design on my car without a tune for a year. No issues.

$45k out the door vs $47k seems like a small price to pay for peace of mind.

Consider that the ecu controls how much air/fuel is needed to hit specific torque targets. If an intake definitely shows dyno change in excess of 5-10% dyno error, how is it making more power when the ecu is targeting specific torque targets still?

The answer is typical black magic marketing and tomfoolery, but the shop is correct in that it's doing something to alter airflow or reading of airflow and a tune is typically needed to maximize and standardize the combustion. If you ask an independent tuner, they'll tell you there's no power restriction with a stock intake until your turbo outsizes the actual intake plumbing. Is it fine to run untuned? Probably. Could it be potentially running very lean? Maybe.

 

[rinzler005]

This is precisely what the shop said. It’s okay to run but you could run lean and that would be okay but long run it could cause potential issues. Again, this was just more ammo he was giving me to help bargain.

 

[mopar_man]

My $0.02 for whatever it’s worth - at $35k I could see considering this and accepting whatever risk. At $45k no way. This dealer is in over their skis on this car. Let someone else deal with the potential headaches. Plenty of good examples available in the mid 40’s with way more peace of mind.

 

[optronix]

Consider that the ecu controls how much air/fuel is needed to hit specific torque targets. If an intake definitely shows dyno change in excess of 5-10% dyno error, how is it making more power when the ecu is targeting specific torque targets still?

The answer is typical black magic marketing and tomfoolery, but the shop is correct in that it's doing something to alter airflow or reading of airflow and a tune is typically needed to maximize and standardize the combustion. If you ask an independent tuner, they'll tell you there's no power restriction with a stock intake until your turbo outsizes the actual intake plumbing. Is it fine to run untuned? Probably. Could it be potentially running very lean? Maybe.

I've been asking myself the same thing forever. But every time someone has strapped a dyno to a car with this intake, it makes more power. I'm not a mechanical engineer but my guess is because there is more air, which technically would imply it's "running lean"... but yes I would then expect the ECU to be able to compensate by matching A/F targets, not torque targets. How would it measure torque at the ECU anyway? But I digress.

Why or why not it would need a tune is beyond my paygrade, but generally it would be bad business to advertise explicity "NO ECU Tuning Required" yet the engine runs dangerously lean.

https://www.infinityautodesign.com/products/honda-civic-type-r-fl5-intake

This is precisely what the shop said. It’s okay to run but you could run lean and that would be okay but long run it could cause potential issues. Again, this was just more ammo he was giving me to help bargain.

This is the part I don't like. According to your earlier post, they implied that a PRL HVI "doesn't need a tune". But it's an aftermarket intake. Why would a PRL intake not need a tune, but an Infinity Design need a tune?

Fake news.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

I've been asking myself the same thing forever. But every time someone has strapped a dyno to a car with this intake, it makes more power. I'm not a mechanical engineer but my guess is because there is more air, which technically would imply it's "running lean"... but yes I would then expect the ECU to be able to compensate by matching A/F targets, not torque targets. How would it measure torque at the ECU anyway? But I digress.

Why or why not it would need a tune is beyond my paygrade, but generally it would be bad business to advertise explicity "NO ECU Tuning Required" yet the engine runs dangerously lean.

https://www.infinityautodesign.com/products/honda-civic-type-r-fl5-intake

This is the part I don't like. According to your earlier post, they implied that a PRL HVI "doesn't need a tune". But it's an aftermarket intake. Why would a PRL intake not need a tune, but an Infinity Design need a tune?

Fake news.

Yeah I would argue a change in how the sensor reads could produce more power and arguably run a tad leaner. I doubt it's to a catastrophic degree. That could be their reasoning the prl doesn't though since it keeps the oem sensor setup.

I don't think it makes much difference either way honestly. It may over 150k miles or something, but so will an aftermarket filter that lets more dust in over that kind of time frame.

 

[whtciv2k]

Sorry, I should have posted the link to the car: 2024 Integra Type S

The carfax is here.

I believe the car is originally from Ohio and was traded into a CJDR dealership. It has made it's round to a couple of places but eventually ended up to this Crysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram dealership.

@optronix - I see you're in MD..I'm taking it to PTuning in Manassas which is right down the road from this dealership. I have an appointment tomorrow morning so let's see what the tech says.

I believe it is a auction car but i'm thinking if the price is good it might be worth the gamble (pending inspection).

I know exactly where this dealership is lol. They took over the klines freeze ice cream spot.

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