FL5 ADS Module Swap

[ABPDE5]

Yessir, 18x10.5 et47.

Somehow I missed that... gotta dig through your posts. Haven't settled on wheels yet. I'd love to go wider (than stock). Was thinking 10, but if 10.5" is viable, maybe I should consider.

Edit: tire size is 285, too, huh? Are those 30 or 35? And no rubbing? You haven't lowered yet, either, right?

 

[bpebler]

Somehow I missed that... gotta dig through your posts. Haven't settled on wheels yet. I'd love to go wider (than stock). Was thinking 10, but if 10.5" is viable, maybe I should consider.

Edit: tire size is 285, too, huh? Are those 30 or 35? And no rubbing? You haven't lowered yet, either, right?

I need to actually put a build thread together and put the videos on YouTube but just haven’t had time to put it all together.

They are 275/35 with no rubbing but not lowered yet. Eibach drops front 1” & rear .8” so that will be interesting to see if I go that route.

 

[ABPDE5]

I need to actually put a build thread together and put the videos on YouTube but just haven’t had time to put it all together.

They are 275/35 with no rubbing but not lowered yet. Eibach drops front 1” & rear .8” so that will be interesting to see if I go that route.

Yeah, will be interested for sure. I've kinda kept an eye on your build details but missed that wheel width.

 

[bpebler]

Yeah, will be interested for sure. I've kinda kept an eye on your build details but missed that wheel width.

Basically what Apex said on the FL5 at this size, is that negative camber is suggested but not required. Any wider of a tire option & negative camber is required. So I figure I’ll go mild at first & add the other parts to compare to the negative camber components eventually.

 

[BigBird]

Did you happen to have a rear sway bar upgrade or any other components in the FL5? Just curious bc I’ve been thinking about this regarding my build as well & trying to achieve the same FL5 feel as far as being planted more solidly. I might put so Eibach Pro springs in there & I have the RV6 rear sway bar & rigid collars (not installed yet) & hoping this should help a lot with some summer tires slapped on the 10.5” Apex wheels. Maybe the rest of the RV6 rear camber products after that if needed. I’d love a set of Ohlin’s as well, but want to retain the 3 factory suspension settings to keep an individual mode for family trips.

My one was stock except for front camber ball joints, and a tune. Bench racing here, I believe the more planted feeling is due to more aero and the CTR wing does indeed add downforce

 

[optronix]

My one was stock except for front camber ball joints, and a tune. Bench racing here, I believe the more planted feeling is due to more aero and the CTR wing does indeed add downforce

 

[BigBird]

It's quite entirely possible for sure.

At least confidence wise, my FL5 did seem to be way more planted and confident on track than the one time I took the DE5 and the rear end behaved like a typical FWD with a light rear.

 

[optronix]

It's quite entirely possible for sure.

At least confidence wise, my FL5 did seem to be way more planted and confident on track than the one time I took the DE5 and the rear end behaved like a typical FWD with a light rear.

The mind can be very powerful, so I won't argue against what you're experiencing. But the fact remains that there is absolutely zero documented differences in the hardware between the two chassis. The software tuning for the FL5 has been proven time and again to be vastly overdamped in its firmest setting (or any setting, really), so unless you're driving 10/10ths on the smoothest circuit on the planet, I can't reconcile this whole "more planted" thing.

Most likely what you're experiencing is the seats. I can definitely get with the idea that being "more planted" in the FL5 seats would be more confidence-inspiring. But not the damper tuning. After watching Zygrene's video where he's bouncing all over the place in the canyons (also literally any other video with a driver view during aggressive driving), I would be pissed and trying desperately to get rid of that shit immediately after buying the car. I dealt with an insanely overdamped setting with my B9.5 RS5, to me it makes zero sense why manufacturers think it's appropriate to crank dampers up to 11 like that...

 

[BigBird]

The mind can be very powerful, so I won't argue against what you're experiencing. But the fact remains that there is absolutely zero documented differences in the hardware between the two chassis. The software tuning for the FL5 has been proven time and again to be vastly overdamped in its firmest setting (or any setting, really), so unless you're driving 10/10ths on the smoothest circuit on the planet, I can't reconcile this whole "more planted" thing.

Most likely what you're experiencing is the seats. I can definitely get with the idea that being "more planted" in the FL5 seats would be more confidence-inspiring. But not the damper tuning. After watching Zygrene's video where he's bouncing all over the place in the canyons (also literally any other video with a driver view during aggressive driving), I would be pissed and trying desperately to get rid of that shit immediately after buying the car. I dealt with an insanely overdamped setting with my B9.5 RS5, to me it makes zero sense why manufacturers think it's appropriate to crank dampers up to 11 like that...

In the FL5, definitely set fastest times in the softest setting

 

[BigBird]

The mind can be very powerful, so I won't argue against what you're experiencing. But the fact remains that there is absolutely zero documented differences in the hardware between the two chassis. The software tuning for the FL5 has been proven time and again to be vastly overdamped in its firmest setting (or any setting, really), so unless you're driving 10/10ths on the smoothest circuit on the planet, I can't reconcile this whole "more planted" thing.

Most likely what you're experiencing is the seats. I can definitely get with the idea that being "more planted" in the FL5 seats would be more confidence-inspiring. But not the damper tuning. After watching Zygrene's video where he's bouncing all over the place in the canyons (also literally any other video with a driver view during aggressive driving), I would be pissed and trying desperately to get rid of that shit immediately after buying the car. I dealt with an insanely overdamped setting with my B9.5 RS5, to me it makes zero sense why manufacturers think it's appropriate to crank dampers up to 11 like that...

I was thinking about this, and Drift King drove the FL5 and felt there was a downforce difference even between the OEM FL5 and the carbon spoiler, so there's definitely some downforce aero advantage for the FL5.

Does it effect track times (fl5 vs de5) at the end of the day, no one really has done side by side yet on an official track...

 

[Integra23]

Doesn't the wing add 60lbs of down force or something like that? Maybe we can add a bag of dog food in the trunk to make up for it.

 

[ender_ong]

Doesn't the wing add 60lbs of down force or something like that? Maybe we can add a bag of dog food in the trunk to make up for it.

Better use a bag of top soil to get the rear more planted

 

[ITSDAD]

Better use a bag of top soil to get the rear more planted

I see what you did there...you sir are winning the internets today! LOL

 

[BigBird]

Wing alone is about 130 lbs of additional downforce at 200 kmh, as with things aero, it's all exponential based on speed, so 60 pounds is correct at a lower speed

 

[optronix]

Sure, downforce could be a factor... Honda did appear to put a lot of engineering effort into it and they do clearly market the Type R as a "racetrack-oriented" and the Type S as "street-oriented", so if that's what you want to hang your hat on I'll concede there's some tangible evidence there... but it's also not like the DE5 doesn't have any at all, and at what speed would this be actually noticeable behind the wheel?

Downforce, to me, is nearly irrelevant in a road car. If that's where this conversation is going then have fun- I'll trade the nearly imperceptible "more planted" feeling for the lack of a goofy wing any day. Still doesn't result in faster lap times but if people want to insist they "feel" a difference then who am I to disagree?