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[Winpildeu]

If I was going to lower, and attempt to do it right (as looks to be the case with your two potential plans), I'd also attempt to correct for roll center changes / bump steer up front.

Spoon and Ktuned have kits -- might be some others out there, too.

I believe the Spoon is a 4mm adjustment:
https://www.blackhawkjapan.com/products/spoon-51220-fk8-020?variant=31751669874752

Ktuned looks to be 10mm:
https://k-tuned.com/products/roll-c...OmxVgzcy46G0FCQvwybcnkI0q7PuC2RN2tDgpuaSp6jVV

If you're looking at 1.2"+ drops, the Ktuned might be more appropriate.

Just curious if you've installed any of these options on the DE5? I have the Spoon springs installed, but wasn't aware of these

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[ABPDE5]

Just curious if you've installed any of these options on the DE5? I have the Spoon springs installed, but wasn't aware of these

I have not. My car is on stock suspension at the moment. I love the appearance of the car lowered, but I'm of the opinion that the suspension geometry on this car is one of its strongest assets (if not the strongest). The more I go down the hypothetical rabbit-hole of lowering the car and consider the work required to correct for the problems it introduces, the more I feel like -- for me -- it would only be worth it if I was going to install a nice pair of coilovers (probably Ohlins R&T as the floor). To do it appropriately, you're looking at camber / toe arms in the rear, potentially some form of camber adjustment up front, and a solution for roll center / bump steer (I can't find good information or analysis re: how much additional offset / height is required to correct for x amount of drop, etc.) at a minimum, and maybe some form of adjustment to the tie rods to preserve steering.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone else from doing it; the car looks great with a drop, but, personally, I don't want to deal with bump steer or alignment issues (or a potential hit to steering) because I prioritized an aesthetic improvement at the cost of upsetting the car's excellent handling, stability, etc.

I would assume the Spoon ZBS kit pairs well with the Spoon springs (re: ratio of drop in ride height to change in ball join height), considering they sell both products, but frankly I can't find any analysis of this anywhere.

 

[optronix]

Just curious if you've installed any of these options on the DE5? I have the Spoon springs installed, but wasn't aware of these

I have not. My car is on stock suspension at the moment. I love the appearance of the car lowered, but I'm of the opinion that the suspension geometry on this car is one of its strongest assets (if not the strongest). The more I go down the hypothetical rabbit-hole of lowering the car and consider the work required to correct for the problems it introduces, the more I feel like -- for me -- it would only be worth it if I was going to install a nice pair of coilovers (probably Ohlins R&T as the floor). To do it appropriately, you're looking at camber / toe arms in the rear, potentially some form of camber adjustment up front, and a solution for roll center / bump steer (I can't find good information or analysis re: how much additional offset / height is required to correct for x amount of drop, etc.) at a minimum, and maybe some form of adjustment to the tie rods to preserve steering.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone else from doing it; the car looks great with a drop, but, personally, I don't want to deal with bump steer or alignment issues (or a potential hit to steering) because I prioritized an aesthetic improvement at the cost of upsetting the car's excellent handling, stability, etc.

I would assume the Spoon ZBS kit pairs well with the Spoon springs (re: ratio of drop in ride height to change in ball join height), considering they sell both products, but frankly I can't find any analysis of this anywhere.

I've been starting to look into these sorts of things exactly. But first I'll give my impressions after lowering the car and adding significant camber in the front- I prefer it over stock. Not only from a purely autocross perspective- I just enjoy driving the car more. (I also have added lower-offset wheels). I don't honestly think the springs improved anything per se, and I've documented my frustration with what the car drove like post-springs pre-camber extensively on this forum. But the way the car is now, it's just amazing and I know I should dial the camber back to -2.5 vs -3.5 because this is my primary form of transportation but I don't wanna. I'm going to have to kill at least one more set of tires prematurely before I cross that bridge.

That said, I have noticed bump steer in certain situations. It's an annoyance more than anything I'd consider critical, but if there's a different approach I can take to eliminate it I'm going to head in that direction. I am leaning strongly towards putting coilovers on this car in the semi-near future, and swapping adjustable camber plates on the strut towers for the lower ball joints, which would be replaced by a set of elongated "roll center adjuster" units like what was posted from Spoon and K Tuned, and Whiteline offers them as well.

As for coilovers themselves, I'm going to have to talk with the folks at DSC on this topic specifically. If the RS-R active coilovers can take advantage of the DSC controller, then I feel like that may just be the way to go.

I have yet to find tie rod ends though... which is more directed for the bump steer anyway. I'm pretty sure Whiteline makes them for platforms like the STI, but I'm not aware of any currently on offer for the FK8/FL5/DE5. It's popular enough I feel like it is warranted, and if there are any out there someone will earn instant kudos for making this thread aware of them.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

I've been starting to look into these sorts of things exactly. But first I'll give my impressions after lowering the car and adding significant camber in the front- I prefer it over stock. Not only from a purely autocross perspective- I just enjoy driving the car more. (I also have added lower-offset wheels). I don't honestly think the springs improved anything per se, and I've documented my frustration with what the car drove like post-springs pre-camber extensively on this forum. But the way the car is now, it's just amazing and I know I should dial the camber back to -2.5 vs -3.5 because this is my primary form of transportation but I don't wanna. I'm going to have to kill at least one more set of tires prematurely before I cross that bridge.

That said, I have noticed bump steer in certain situations. It's an annoyance more than anything I'd consider critical, but if there's a different approach I can take to eliminate it I'm going to head in that direction. I am leaning strongly towards putting coilovers on this car in the semi-near future, and swapping adjustable camber plates on the strut towers for the lower ball joints, which would be replaced by a set of elongated "roll center adjuster" units like what was posted from Spoon and K Tuned, and Whiteline offers them as well.

As for coilovers themselves, I'm going to have to talk with the folks at DSC on this topic specifically. If the RS-R active coilovers can take advantage of the DSC controller, then I feel like that may just be the way to go.

I have yet to find tie rod ends though... which is more directed for the bump steer anyway. I'm pretty sure Whiteline makes them for platforms like the STI, but I'm not aware of any currently on offer for the FK8/FL5/DE5. It's popular enough I feel like it is warranted, and if there are any out there someone will earn instant kudos for making this thread aware of them.

A few times the aftermarket electronic coils sacrifice adjustment over the factory shocks. I know that was often the case on the mk7 golf platform.

If you're going to go to a coil, I would just go fully mechanical. The ohlins stuff is quality, but they prioritize performance over lowering range. For true autox or de use I would reach out to moton or ast and talk to them about a custom valved setup for your scenario.

 

[Lflouie]

Yeah I think the ease of installation and the price point make it an accessible mod that is about as close as you can get to a true "no-brainer". There really isn't any downside or side effects to a mod like this. It's all uphill.

And where I'll weigh in a bit more, is that the dynamic element does truly extract more out of the hardware. I stand by my initial assessment that the comfort level is still noticeably better in all modes (and no, it won't turn it into a Lexus but that's a good thing!)- but you have to drive it a bit in various conditions to start noticing how the car responds better. It is difficult to articulate- but I'd put it past a placebo effect because even yesterday driving in and out of ridiculous DC traffic, there were times I most certainly wasn't thinking about the DSC controller but then suddenly I hit a clean stretch of road with a couple curves, or take a sharp weird-angle turn at an accelerated (but legal...) pace to get ahead of a traffic light that I'm reminded how good this chassis feels. That happens significantly more often post-DSC than it did before.

The DSC has long been considered one of the best mods at any price in the P car world. I think it's getting pretty evident on this forum and the Civic forums is rapidly approaching that for this platform as well. If not already there.

Oh yeah and you can tweak it to your own specifications if you find it lacking in any way.

It's really a win-win mod.

I come from the "DARK SIDE", and decided on a CTR over the ITS (if was very close). I'm an occasional weekend driver so daily driveability is desired but lean more to aggressive backroad/mtn roads. Like many here I've done the full Monty suspension upgrades on numerous cars and decided for this purchase to take a restrained approach on suspension mods.....bc the factory had seemed to have done a remarkable job on the platform.

I agree whole-heartedly with these observations and support the fact that the CTR exhibits the same upgraded enhancements to the overall capabilities with a DSC upgrade. As you'd expect the CTR's suspension trades-off comfort vs performance even more so than an ITS, but the comments on the dynamic range expansion over the oem suspension module becomes more and more apparent overtime.

My initial impressions were positive regarding improving relatve ride quality in any mode, but driving in a wider range of road conditions with increased cornering loads (speeds) and extremely tight cornering and corner transitions, the overall goodness and range of control became apparent.

Haven't made any chassis or suspension mods but was prepared to start dialing it in for my preferences....but the DSC has made that point moot. The breadth of suspension control range in any mode is impressive....and now I can use all of them (however while +R is much better, it is still limited use for me).

Agree with several comments by others advising owners that won't track or autox, the DSC is one of the best ROIs and upgrades to an otherwise stock or nearly stock CTR and likely the same is true for ITS. Before chasing the "perfect" suspension setup and diving into the traditional "mechanical solutions" to personalize your car spend the first couple of thousand miles exploring the car and how it works for your intended use. If the overall chassis capabilities are close but simply need some tweaking the DSC may very well be the perfect plug and play upgrade.......it has for me.

 

[bisquick]

Back again because the pursuit of perfection is a never ending battle.

With some expert advice and the help AI to gather my thoughts, I've found that my previous revisions were severely underdamped which has recently been corrected in the newest revision.

You can find my revised file here: Comfort Baseline v4.0

My Setup
Springs: Eibach Sportline
Sway Bar: RV6 (middle settings)
Wheels & Tires: Stock wheels, Continental DWS 06+ (265/35/r19)

GForce Tab

Default Value	5.0
Offset	25.0
Sensitivity	38
G Rate Max	32

Velocity Tab

	Cmp-High	Cmp-Med	Cmp-Low	0	Reb-Low	Reb-Med	Reb-High
LF	-6.0	-14.0	-26.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0
RF	-6.0	-14.0	-26.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0
LR	-5.0	-12.0	-22.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0
RR	-5.0	-12.0	-22.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0

Shock Calibration Tab

	0.0	3.1	6.3	9.4	12.5	15.6	18.8	21.9	25.0	28.1	31.3	34.4	37.5	40.6	43.8	46.9	50.0	53.1	56.3	59.4	62.5	65.6	68.8	71.9	75.0	78.1	81.3	84.4	87.5	90.6	93.8	96.9	100.0
LF	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600
RF	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600
LR	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600
RR	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600

 

[Winpildeu]

Back again because the pursuit of perfection is a never ending battle.

With some expert advice and the help AI to gather my thoughts, I've found that my previous revisions were severely underdamped which has recently been corrected in the newest revision.

You can find my revised file here: Comfort Baseline v4.0

My Setup
Springs: Eibach Sportline
Sway Bar: RV6 (middle settings)
Wheels & Tires: Stock wheels, Continental DWS 06+ (265/35/r19)

GForce Tab

Default Value	5.0
Offset	25.0
Sensitivity	38
G Rate Max	32

Velocity Tab

	Cmp-High	Cmp-Med	Cmp-Low	0	Reb-Low	Reb-Med	Reb-High
LF	-6.0	-14.0	-26.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0
RF	-6.0	-14.0	-26.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0
LR	-5.0	-12.0	-22.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0
RR	-5.0	-12.0	-22.0	0.0	18.0	14.0	10.0

Shock Calibration Tab

	0.0	3.1	6.3	9.4	12.5	15.6	18.8	21.9	25.0	28.1	31.3	34.4	37.5	40.6	43.8	46.9	50.0	53.1	56.3	59.4	62.5	65.6	68.8	71.9	75.0	78.1	81.3	84.4	87.5	90.6	93.8	96.9	100.0
LF	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600
RF	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600
LR	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600
RR	60	77	94	111	128	144	161	178	195	212	229	246	263	279	296	313	330	347	364	381	398	414	431	448	465	482	499	516	533	549	566	583	600

I'm curious how these settings changed the comfort experience compared to your last revision?

Also, what kind of roads are in your area?

 

[bisquick]

I'm curious how these settings changed the comfort experience compared to your last revision?

Also, what kind of roads are in your area?

My previous revision focused too much on reducing compression which resulted in an underdamped suspension with minimal range.

I’ve since expanded the shock calibration range, increased the overall sensitivity and brought back some compression and dampening giving a more predictable, linear setup.

I’m in North Jersey where there are more potholes than vehicles on the roads after this winter.

 

[derbo904]

Got my DSC unit!

For the DSC Tuner software, it doens't list the civic, do you all just select other > restomod?

 

[Winpildeu]

Got my DSC unit!

For the DSC Tuner software, it doens't list the civic, do you all just select other > restomod?

Select Mustang GT300/GT500

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