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You really don't know why the CTR has so many track focused screens and the ITS doesn't? It's obvious, or at least it should be. These vehicles are platform siblings but they diverge when it comes to brand philosophy and market positioning. I thought everyone was clear on this back in 2023. If you're looking for bolstered bucket seats, native datalogging functionality, Cup 2 tires as a dealer option, and track inspired instrumentation, those items will not be in the Integra Type S. The exclusion of these items are not misses, the omissions are intentional.
Im not saying they need to be the same or be as in depth, but Acura could have given us something more than they did, which is pretty much nothing. Even if you want to say that it was omitted because its not a track inspired car thats a fair point, but Acura should have included more luxury type items ie. Home-link mirror or back vents. Even if they put throttle position, brake pressure and boost on the infotainment system that would be better.
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Im not saying they need to be the same or be as in depth, but Acura could have given us something more than they did, which is pretty much nothing. Even if you want to say that it was omitted because its not a track inspired car thats a fair point, but Acura should have included more luxury type items ie. Home-link mirror or back vents. Even if they put throttle position, brake pressure and boost on the infotainment system that would be better.
I get where you're coming from. I've read posts on this forum over the last 2+ years about the perceived misses of the DE5 and it sounds a little greedy, especially at the price point. I also can't help but think that what people have been describing is a G80 M3, which probably annoys you to read since you just came from one.

As a long time BMW M addict, I disavowed the G series M cars since they were introduced in early 2021...until last weekend. I spent a fair amount of time driving them on track in Spartanburg and it was a productive exercise and rewarding. Reflecting on my experience and everything I've learned about them over the last several months, there's zero chance I would substitute a G80/G82 for an FL5/DE5. That's saying a lot because I absolutely adore my FL5. I would only add to the stable, and not swap. The differences are just too stark because they're just too different. I know myself and it's doubtful I would be able to "get there" and ultimately be satisfied with my decision.
 

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I get where you're coming from. I've read posts on this forum over the last 2+ years about the perceived misses of the DE5 and it sounds a little greedy, especially at the price point. I also can't help but think that what people have been describing is a G80 M3, which probably annoys you to read since you just came from one.

As a long time BMW M addict, I disavowed the G series M cars since they were introduced in early 2021...until last weekend. I spent a fair amount of time driving them on track in Spartanburg and it was a productive exercise and rewarding. Reflecting on my experience and everything I've learned about them over the last several months, there's zero chance I would substitute a G80/G82 for an FL5/DE5. That's saying a lot because I absolutely adore my FL5. I would only add to the stable, and not swap. The differences are just too stark because they're just too different. I know myself and it's doubtful I would be able to "get there" and ultimately be satisfied with my decision.
Understood about seeing this over and over. And i am also new to the car so im going though all of it for the first time. I think the ITR is a very fun car, it fits the bill for me for right now. Would it be nice to have more data yes, but it also doesn’t need all the tech a BMW has i did find it a bit overwhelming. I wish i could have added the ITR with the M3 but the point was to get a car that is fun to drive and less expensive and the ITR fits that bill. The M cars are expensive to own in every way.
 

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To be fair, it does have throttle and brake position sensors... Arguably that is the most useful function for true performance driving, outside of temp metrics. It just makes them useless the moment you turn off traction control. It also has no sense of oil temp or even washer fluid level,while somehow having a brake temp sensor 😂. These are fairly substantial ommisions at this price point compared to similar vehicles. I don't see this as a track car though, but a car to drive on track when you feel like it. It does well in this capacity, and matures the boy racer look of the Fl5.

The issue I believe isn't what it doesn't have, so much as what it does have is extremely limited. There's no point to the digital cluster in this car. In fact, from a luxury standpoint I believe it takes away a lot, and would have been nicer with two proper gauges with a couple small screens to augment the driver assistance stuff. Tech wise it's definitely last decade... Or even pre 2015 if I'm being honest. I almost traded it for an m3 again recently, but I just couldn't get over the weight, poor clutch feel, poor shifter, and lack of steering feel out of the M. Great daily commuter, but it's a lot more benign than the its. I believe that's where the confusion is... Are you a sports car, Integra? No... Are you a luxury car? No... Are you a track car? No... Well what are you?? Simply fun to drive and pretty while also being able to shuttle a couple more people than a sports car. Great drive, but it does explain why the Fl5 crowd is so "special snowflake" and looks down on the its. While also not a true sports car, it at least knows what it is and isn't.
 

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I don't get it...if everyone is looking for a BMW...why not get on and move on? Is getting tire some after all this years. Get a use one for the price of an ITS and be done with it. ITS is not targeting the M3 market nor a track oriented market car.

Back on topic, I search a little more and have not found anyone else that tried swapijg the cluster.
 

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Does anyone know where to get the firmware files for the FL5 and DE5? Perhaps some reverse engineering can be done. I’m sure they are code signed so won’t be able to just install them via USB. But looking at how terrible Honda is at tech I doubt the protections are very advanced.
 

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I’ve owned a few wrx’s and sti’s

each with their own Cobb accessport

I do not need all that anxiety front and center anymore but I can see why some folks would like the option.

only thing that matters to me is the oil temp and even that’s just an estimate and in my case a terrible estimate since I’m on 5w30 now…..
 

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I'm really surprised by the amount of people complaining about the tech in this car. Sure it's missing some stuff like a Homelink mirror, but the option is there if you want to DIY it (I've done it), and the HUD, center cluster and infotainment are insanely customizable, just as much or more than any BMW (I've had multiple generations of M3/M4 and currently daily an iX).

Do I think they could have included a couple things like a homelink mirror and cooled seats for the price we're paying for these cars? Absolutely. Does it make it any "less" than any car at least double the price? Absolutely not.
 

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I'm really surprised by the amount of people complaining about the tech in this car. Sure it's missing some stuff like a Homelink mirror, but the option is there if you want to DIY it (I've done it), and the HUD, center cluster and infotainment are insanely customizable, just as much or more than any BMW (I've had multiple generations of M3/M4 and currently daily an iX).

Do I think they could have included a couple things like a homelink mirror and cooled seats for the price we're paying for these cars? Absolutely. Does it make it any "less" than any car at least double the price? Absolutely not.
What year bmw?

My bmw digital display has 4 different options for gauge layout, 6+ options for data display, and another 3 options for how interaction works. The HUD is full color, and is customizable to show all the digital display info on HUD, including all smart cruise detail, rpm, steering wheel angle, brake pressure, shift indicator, media info, nav, etc. It's also customizable per driver and per mode. Not to mention the whole system is tremendously faster and will take multiple forms of input, including gesture control for infotainment.

The car settings can also take many additional custom details including a different tire size, a specific winter tire size, adjusted tire pressure or custom tire pressure, and a bunch of other things. It also has built in 360 cameras that record at all times and save recordings to the BMW cloud during any sort of "event" (like an alarm going off).

And those are the "basic" features across the line up. My specific model also adds driving the car at low speeds from the app (like pulling it out of tight spaces), tremendously more adjustable eq, M specific settings, and a myriad of other things.

Yes it's a 120k vs 54k vehicle comparison, but we're talking a 5500# lux suv vs the acura. They're not exactly directly comparable, but the tech just runs away in the bmw. The mdx type s is a more direct comparison and the tech argument still stands.

Same year as my acura...

I love driving the acura and it makes a great street car, but I can't make any argument that the tech or build quality can align vs the luxo germans or VW.
 

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What year bmw?

My bmw digital display has 4 different options for gauge layout, 6+ options for data display, and another 3 options for how interaction works. The HUD is full color, and is customizable to show all the digital display info on HUD, including all smart cruise detail, rpm, steering wheel angle, brake pressure, shift indicator, media info, nav, etc. It's also customizable per driver and per mode. Not to mention the whole system is tremendously faster and will take multiple forms of input, including gesture control for infotainment.

The car settings can also take many additional custom details including a different tire size, a specific winter tire size, adjusted tire pressure or custom tire pressure, and a bunch of other things. It also has built in 360 cameras that record at all times and save recordings to the BMW cloud during any sort of "event" (like an alarm going off).

And those are the "basic" features across the line up. My specific model also adds driving the car at low speeds from the app (like pulling it out of tight spaces), tremendously more adjustable eq, M specific settings, and a myriad of other things.

Yes it's a 120k vs 54k vehicle comparison, but we're talking a 5500# lux suv vs the acura. They're not exactly directly comparable, but the tech just runs away in the bmw. The mdx type s is a more direct comparison and the tech argument still stands.

Same year as my acura...

I love driving the acura and it makes a great street car, but I can't make any argument that the tech or build quality can align vs the luxo germans or VW.
My 2025 Audi s5 has all that crap too. It’s nice but we are talking about a low 70k car. About 20k more than the type s, to be fair. I’m good with the current tech, except maybe lack of real oil temp but I feel like that could be a thing not everyone would want or care for
 

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My girlfriends Elantra N has tech and features that are lightyears ahead of the Type-S. Even small niceties such as fading out the music when the car turns on/off. But the N mode telemetry readouts is actually really cool and it’s a shame Acura didn’t do something like this for us. Also that car is a lot more inexpensive
 

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What year bmw?

My bmw digital display has 4 different options for gauge layout, 6+ options for data display, and another 3 options for how interaction works. The HUD is full color, and is customizable to show all the digital display info on HUD, including all smart cruise detail, rpm, steering wheel angle, brake pressure, shift indicator, media info, nav, etc. It's also customizable per driver and per mode. Not to mention the whole system is tremendously faster and will take multiple forms of input, including gesture control for infotainment.

The car settings can also take many additional custom details including a different tire size, a specific winter tire size, adjusted tire pressure or custom tire pressure, and a bunch of other things. It also has built in 360 cameras that record at all times and save recordings to the BMW cloud during any sort of "event" (like an alarm going off).

And those are the "basic" features across the line up. My specific model also adds driving the car at low speeds from the app (like pulling it out of tight spaces), tremendously more adjustable eq, M specific settings, and a myriad of other things.

Yes it's a 120k vs 54k vehicle comparison, but we're talking a 5500# lux suv vs the acura. They're not exactly directly comparable, but the tech just runs away in the bmw. The mdx type s is a more direct comparison and the tech argument still stands.

Same year as my acura...

I love driving the acura and it makes a great street car, but I can't make any argument that the tech or build quality can align vs the luxo germans or VW.
I've owned BMWs since 2016, and have driven them since 2003. pre-iDrive, iDrive 4, 5, 6 EVO, 7, 8, and 8.5. Obviously iDrive 6 EVO and below was mechanical so not much options there, iDrive 7 had only a single way to display the cluster with rotating widget on the right, and iDrive 8 only had 2 ways to display the cluster in the M cars, either the standard way or the tach-centric way in M Sport mode. You only have 1 widget to customize, so if you wanted your tire pressure and your music up, too bad, which you can do in the Type S.

The HUD was full color, but iDrive 8 and 8.5 on the M cars put a permanent blue bar in the background that is incredibly distracting and you cannot disable, which is an annoying thing to have to deal with. Also, the only ever "color" it showed was basically green for the driving assistance features, which doesn't matter.

I daily a 2026 iX which I'm **still** limited to only 1 widget in the center screen.

They spent a lot of time on weird niche software features that 99% of people don't care about and that the 1% that do will forget about it after 3 days of ownership for the car to be worth as much more as it is compared to the Type S.

I don't feel the system is any faster than the Type S, it's quite simple and performs quite well. Carplay is also *much* more performant, especially in Apple Maps, in the Type S compared to any BMW I've been in. In fact, the iDrive 8 system, was *complete* crap the entire time it was in existence until they switched to Android-based iDrive 8.5 w/ Qualcomm chips from the old Intel embedded chips on Linux-based iDrive 8.0. All this on a $100k+ car.

As an anecdote, I had the Drive Recorder on my M4 I had previous and someone hit me in the back corner. The system did not recognize I had been hit and did not record anything. There's a ton of instances of people having the same experience.

My point is, we could go back and forth about things one does better than the other, but I feel like I enjoy the Type S infotainment and cluster setup a lot more than BMW's (besides the fact I have actual *round dials* on the Type S, which BMWs haven't had since 2018 lol), and it does everything I need and want it to do, especially given how expensive M340is have gotten, which you can't get in a manual :p


My girlfriends Elantra N has tech and features that are lightyears ahead of the Type-S. Even small niceties such as fading out the music when the car turns on/off. But the N mode telemetry readouts is actually really cool and it’s a shame Acura didn’t do something like this for us. Also that car is a lot more inexpensive
Yet the Elantra N doesn't come with even more basic stuff like an auto dimming mirror. It also has 50 less HP. I'm just saying there's a reason why it's cheaper.
 

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I've owned BMWs since 2016, and have driven them since 2003. pre-iDrive, iDrive 4, 5, 6 EVO, 7, 8, and 8.5. Obviously iDrive 6 EVO and below was mechanical so not much options there, iDrive 7 had only a single way to display the cluster with rotating widget on the right, and iDrive 8 only had 2 ways to display the cluster in the M cars, either the standard way or the tach-centric way in M Sport mode. You only have 1 widget to customize, so if you wanted your tire pressure and your music up, too bad, which you can do in the Type S.

The HUD was full color, but iDrive 8 and 8.5 on the M cars put a permanent blue bar in the background that is incredibly distracting and you cannot disable, which is an annoying thing to have to deal with. Also, the only ever "color" it showed was basically green for the driving assistance features, which doesn't matter.

I daily a 2026 iX which I'm **still** limited to only 1 widget in the center screen.

They spent a lot of time on weird niche software features that 99% of people don't care about and that the 1% that do will forget about it after 3 days of ownership for the car to be worth as much more as it is compared to the Type S.

I don't feel the system is any faster than the Type S, it's quite simple and performs quite well. Carplay is also *much* more performant, especially in Apple Maps, in the Type S compared to any BMW I've been in. In fact, the iDrive 8 system, was *complete* crap the entire time it was in existence until they switched to Android-based iDrive 8.5 w/ Qualcomm chips from the old Intel embedded chips on Linux-based iDrive 8.0. All this on a $100k+ car.

As an anecdote, I had the Drive Recorder on my M4 I had previous and someone hit me in the back corner. The system did not recognize I had been hit and did not record anything. There's a ton of instances of people having the same experience.

My point is, we could go back and forth about things one does better than the other, but I feel like I enjoy the Type S infotainment and cluster setup a lot more than BMW's (besides the fact I have actual *round dials* on the Type S, which BMWs haven't had since 2018 lol), and it does everything I need and want it to do, especially given how expensive M340is have gotten, which you can't get in a manual :p




Yet the Elantra N doesn't come with even more basic stuff like an auto dimming mirror. It also has 50 less HP. I'm just saying there's a reason why it's cheaper.
All I’m saying is Honda really cheaped out on the interior and tech package of the Type-S, for the price of the vehicle and the luxury Acura badge I should expect it to at least match the tech package of a Hyundai. I will say that infotainment is fine in the ITS, but fine is what I expect from a mid level civic…
 

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All I’m saying is Honda really cheated out on the interior and tech package of the Type-S, for the price of the vehicle and the luxury Acura badge I should expect it to at least match the tech package of a Hyundai. I will say that infotainment is fine in the ITS, but fine is what I expect from a mid level civic…
Every car manufacturer cheaps out in one way or another, whether it's Hyundai not including an auto dimming mirror, Acura not including Homelink, or Aston Martin using 20 year old Mercedes infotainments in their $350k cars.
 

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Every car manufacturer cheaps out in one way or another, whether it's Hyundai not including an auto dimming mirror, Acura not including Homelink, or Aston Martin using 20 year old Mercedes infotainments in their $350k cars.
I'm so disappointed in modern Aston. They're trying to stay relevant, but that's not what Aston is about. The older ones have gotten outrageous in price. The late 2000s models were pretty good, but they just seemed to go downhill after that. They lost all the prestige and "special" factor, and I can't even really put my finger on why.
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