Integra type S vs Civic type R

[PorscheGt23]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-acura-integra-type-s-first-test-review/

Triggered. The s is slower.

 

[meki22]

Honestly, this is what I’ve expected from the get-go. The ITS was clearly designed as a street car vs the more hardcore CTR. Waiting for the FL5 guys to repost this over and over again while reminding everyone why they’re not getting the ITS.

 

[ronlp]

Darnit, I was going to register it for global time attack. I guess that dream is now over.....

 

[Integra23]

Could be the additional lower torque hurting traction. It's the 0-30 where it's 0.3 or 0.4 slower than the FL5

 

[ZeroGSR]

Motor Trend isn't exactly known for it's amazing times or launches, so will see what C&D can get with it. Also, they didn't state if this was on 91 or 93. Also, it isn't like either car is a stoplight racer, LOL, more interested in rolling times.

 

[Estoril]

Motor Trend isn't exactly known for it's amazing times or launches, so will see what C&D can get with it. Also, they didn't state if this was on 91 or 93. Also, it isn't like either car is a stoplight racer, LOL, more interested in rolling times.

Agreed would like to see a roller based on savagegeese's video, also lap times around a rougher surfaced track tbh. At the end of the day comparing these metrics is like comparing two pizzas and seeing which one flys better, certainly not what they're intended for and not whats important

 

[Integra23]

Agreed would like to see a roller based on savagegeese's video, also lap times around a rougher surfaced track tbh. At the end of the day comparing these metrics is like comparing two pizzas and seeing which one flys better, certainly not what they're intended for and not whats important

I thing savagegeese alluded to the ITS being faster on the track but I guess we will find out . They also ran both on 93 octane

 

[ZeroGSR]

My take away from that video was that the ITS was faster straight line, but the CTR would still post better lap times based on suspension tuning, until it ran out the front tires. All that said, I am assuming it's a $300 ADS swap if you want to run FL5 suspension settings. Surprised no one has reverse engineered a new module that can switch between CTR, CTR LE, and now DE5 tuning. Lots of CTRs running the LE ADS. I wouldn't mind swapping for track days since they are few and far between for me, but don't think I can do it for every Auto-X event

Also, didn't Motor Trend say their figure 8 #s were identical?

 

[Integra23]

My take away from that video was that the ITS was faster straight line, but the CTR would still post better lap times based on suspension tuning, until it ran out the front tires. All that said, I am assuming it's a $300 ADS swap if you want to run FL5 suspension settings. Surprised no one has reverse engineered a new module that can switch between CTR, CTR LE, and now DE5 tuning. Lots of CTRs running the LE ADS. I wouldn't mind swapping for track days since they are few and far between for me, but don't think I can do it for every Auto-X event

Also, didn't Motor Trend say their figure 8 #s were identical?

Yeah lateral G was 0.01 off from the CTR

 

[bpebler]

My take away from that video was that the ITS was faster straight line, but the CTR would still post better lap times based on suspension tuning, until it ran out the front tires. All that said, I am assuming it's a $300 ADS swap if you want to run FL5 suspension settings. Surprised no one has reverse engineered a new module that can switch between CTR, CTR LE, and now DE5 tuning. Lots of CTRs running the LE ADS. I wouldn't mind swapping for track days since they are few and far between for me, but don't think I can do it for every Auto-X event

Also, didn't Motor Trend say their figure 8 #s were identical?

The manager of the Acura dealership I go through just sold his modded FK8 which he had an autocross coach for & he said the same thing - faster in a straight line & not as efficient at super high speeds in turns vs. the CTR. Guess I'll just have to wait after break in to see myself. Plus...mods.

 

[Estoril]

The manager of the Acura dealership I go through just sold his modded FK8 which he had an autocross coach for & he said the same thing - faster in a straight line & not as efficient at super high speeds in turns vs. the CTR. Guess I'll just have to wait after break in to see myself. Plus...mods.

The aero is the main player for high speed stability, I don't recall seeing any downforce metrics provided by Acura. I imagine they dont care. The other main lap time oriented characteristic that cannot be described in metrics is how the car rotates and thus how early throttle can be applied in the turn. I'm guessing this is where the R would be better but then would lose slightly on the straights with less power. This match up would be very track dependent imo

 

[eculley]

redline reviews did a 5.4 with their very first launch, so I expect MotorTrend didn't try very hard with this one.

 

[optronix]

As I said in another thread, neither of these cars are drag strip heroes. If that's your primary use case then yes, go get an M240i or S3. Also, the concept of the Type R is that it should be faster anyway, right?

That said, it doesn't make sense for the ITS to be significantly slower than the Type R. Launching any FWD car is more art than science, and Motor Trend makes that pretty clear. Savagegeese did as much of an objective test as anyone can by dynoing both cars on the same day on the same dyno... Maybe the added torque in the mid-range makes wheel spin more of an issue? That would make more sense than a blanket statement like "it's slower". It's got more power out of the same engine, and only slightly more weight.

Read into it if you must, but to me it's pretty much fake news. Doesn't make me want a Civic any more than I did yesterday.

 

[ZeroGSR]

Also likely they didn't do the pedal dance, so maybe it's nanny (traction control) limited as well and that might be a recurring issue for how well it performs in comparos.

 

[VtecBuddy]

This article is a good thing, maybe it'll make the Type S slightly easier to get