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Victorofhavoc
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Don't disagree with a thing, lol. Mirrors my experience.
I will say though, in what world is a one and a half second drop over 100s not a huge gap? That's several car lengths per lap...
I will say though, in what world is a one and a half second drop over 100s not a huge gap? That's several car lengths per lap...
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Consistent with my expectations. The science doesn't lie, it's just not as pronounced as some people would have you believe... but also there's some things that tests like this won't fully reveal. An F80 M3 isn't the best platform to run a test like this either, as that car is very powerful and will conceal a lot of the negative aspects of a heavier wheel.
I like that he touches on the subjective component though. Not really measurable but for enthusiasts everything is about the senses. I more or less skimmed the video so he may have also mentioned the wear factor on the tires and brakes, which would need more time and control to test properly.
I did see that he made it a point to mention that the takeaway from just simply mounting a 70 lb tire/wheel combo is all you really need from this comparison.
I like that he touches on the subjective component though. Not really measurable but for enthusiasts everything is about the senses. I more or less skimmed the video so he may have also mentioned the wear factor on the tires and brakes, which would need more time and control to test properly.
I did see that he made it a point to mention that the takeaway from just simply mounting a 70 lb tire/wheel combo is all you really need from this comparison.
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As others have mentioned, and from my own experiences. Yes, the science is correct and it does make a difference, BUT it is a VERY small difference. For it to be noticeable, the weight change has to be very large. I.e. comparing a 40lbs to 30lbs wheel is not perceivable.
I always think it's funny how the people who go crazy about saving 5lbs per corner on wheels, are the same people who add +5lbs back on by doing a big brake kit/swap, spacers, and wider tires. They then claim the weight savings made a huge improvement!
I always think it's funny how the people who go crazy about saving 5lbs per corner on wheels, are the same people who add +5lbs back on by doing a big brake kit/swap, spacers, and wider tires. They then claim the weight savings made a huge improvement!
Victorofhavoc
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On my q7, going from oem 20s with winters on it to the 22s with a ps4s is a 14lb/corner difference. It's such a drastic feel difference, it's honestly quite staggering. The tire has a lot to do with it, but it's more than just that. The car goes from being very standard suv around corners to behaving like a hot hatch.As others have mentioned, and from my own experiences. Yes, the science is correct and it does make a difference, BUT it is a VERY small difference. For it to be noticeable, the weight change has to be very large. I.e. comparing a 40lbs to 30lbs wheel is not perceivable.
I always think it's funny how the people who go crazy about saving 5lbs per corner on wheels, are the same people who add +5lbs back on by doing a big brake kit/swap, spacers, and wider tires. They then claim the weight savings made a huge improvement!
I've also felt the difference on track between two sets of lightweight wheels where the difference between them was roughly 4lbs and the exact same tire. The width made a bigger difference than the weight because of the sidewall stretch, but you could still feel it back to back. Stiffness matters more than weight though. A stiffer wheel flexes less, and often more mass makes for more stiffness. Apex does a good job of prioritizing where to put the stiffness and where to cut weight.
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