Type S vs Type R

[Ministry]

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...pe-s-2023-honda-civic-type-r-comparison-test/

Per car and driver, Type R takes the victory (barely).

 

[optronix]

I've seen too many of these to read through it all.

C/D notoriously had a slower test time out of the ITS, but that hasn't been duplicated virtually anywhere else that I've seen. Throttle House, Savagegeese, and I think that recent drag race with Jason Camissa with an NSX all had vastly different results.

Other than that, price and rear headroom were the differentiators from what I can tell.

Fact remains- the ITS only exists because some people just don't like the idea of paying $50k+ for a Civic.

 

[crepr12]

It exist beacuse Acura needed to replace the ILX and the integra platform suites the type S...CTRs sold before the Type S...So 50K civics are here to stay....Shit Type S and CTR are basically twins except for some body panels and seats....I would take either at MSRP....jmho...

 

[nix6speed]

Second place is just the first loser.

 

[NoelPR]

Guys. The cars weren't tested together. They just mashed up two independent tests and spawned a new article.
The CTR was tested in cooler weather. Last day of November
The ITS was tested in a hot July.

Of course, the CTR will perform better.
What a waste of time.

How do I know?
The result metrics are identical.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44212736/2024-acura-integra-type-s-drive/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41952459/2023-honda-civic-type-r-by-the-numbers/

 

[Ministry]

Yeah it's a bit puzzling...having owned both I cannot agree that the Type R is faster. All this does is help stir the pot. I'll look forward to their 2023 lighting lap results.

 

[Integra23]

I'm sure it's an AI generated article.

 

[optronix]

It exist beacuse Acura needed to replace the ILX and the integra platform suites the type S...CTRs sold before the Type S...So 50K civics are here to stay....Shit Type S and CTR are basically twins except for some body panels and seats....I would take either at MSRP....jmho...

Nobody said the CTR is going away. The ITS just means that more people who otherwise wouldn't buy a Civic might buy an Integra. Tell me why a manufacturer would want to produce two nearly identical cars? The answer is marketing to different demographics.

They're the same car, always have been. It boils down to subjectivity, or in this crazy ass market, what you can get a better deal on.

I'll agree that when I was in the market I would have taken either at MSRP, and picked one over the other depending on the deal. I got my ITS at MSRP, the same day I was about to pull the trigger on a CTR at $5k over.

I'll add though that after now owning the car for a couple months, I'm very glad things landed where they did. I can't imagine owning a CTR now, but I think that's just the bias that I've built over 2 months of thoroughly enjoying this car. I'm sure there are at least some CTR owners who feel the same.

To be clear, again-

They're the same car.

 

[spyder]

Guys. The cars weren't tested together. They just mashed up two independent tests and spawned a new article.
The CTR was tested in cooler weather. Last day of November
The ITS was tested in a hot July.

Of course, the CTR will perform better.
What a waste of time.

How do I know?
The result metrics are identical.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44212736/2024-acura-integra-type-s-drive/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41952459/2023-honda-civic-type-r-by-the-numbers/

This is the first thing that came to mind when I read it, which also means the numbers are based on 91 octane and not 93. I'd think a large publication like C&D would think to point out that very important difference. But if they're okay doing a comparison article based off of two separate tests on two separate days, then I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[NoelPR]

This is the first thing that came to mind when I read it, which also means the numbers are based on 91 octane and not 93. I'd think a large publication like C&D would think to point out that very important difference. But if they're okay doing a comparison article based off of two separate tests on two separate days, then I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I thought the same.
The writer of the article told me via email that both were tested using Michigans 93oct fuel.

 

[spyder]

I thought the same.
The writer of the article told me via email that both were tested using Michigans 93oct fuel.

That's pretty cool that they replied directly to you to confirm.

The article still makes me wonder how many other comparison tests are done with test data from different days.

 

[Type S Zap]

I'M SO HAPPY THAT THE TYPE S CAME OUT. I WAS GOING TO BUY THE ASPEC BUT THE TYPE S LOOKS WAY BETTER. IMHO IJS ASPEC CLAN IS UPSET...IKN BC I CAN FEEL A TREMOR IN THE FORCE....LOL

 

[NoelPR]

That's pretty cool that they replied directly to you to confirm.

The article still makes me wonder how many other comparison tests are done with test data from different days.

They mostly do it.
**Attached screenshot of the email in the previous post.